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	<title>Comments on: Peter Schiff&#8217;s Euro Pacific Capital Down 40 &#8211; 70% in 2008?</title>
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		<title>By: RBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a different take on Euro-Pacific Capital.
My portfolio with them- all stocks picked by a broker, did pretty well in the recovery following the 2008 tumble, but not as well as my Fidelity Pacific Rim fund- and that is not even accounting for the very high trading charges with Euro-Pacific.  More disturbing were the high pressure sales pitches for their &quot;private placement&quot; opportunities.  These have almost uniformly been a DISASTER! Euro-Pacific gets their cut up front, and the concern is that their research is less than thorough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a different take on Euro-Pacific Capital.<br />
My portfolio with them- all stocks picked by a broker, did pretty well in the recovery following the 2008 tumble, but not as well as my Fidelity Pacific Rim fund- and that is not even accounting for the very high trading charges with Euro-Pacific.  More disturbing were the high pressure sales pitches for their &#8220;private placement&#8221; opportunities.  These have almost uniformly been a DISASTER! Euro-Pacific gets their cut up front, and the concern is that their research is less than thorough.</p>
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		<title>By: SJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good comments in this thread over the last two years.  I have been following Peter for several years, read his books, listen to his radio show, and even financially supported his bid for CT Senate race.  I have used his company Euro Pacific Precious Metals and have been very satisfied with the service to date, although I have only been on the buy side and have not sold anything to this point.
 
Now considering moving a chunk of my IRA to one of Euro Pacific Capital managed accounts.  I asked my representative about the disaster in late 2008, and what their lessons learned were following a significant loss of capital and betting against the US dollar.  They said that world investors still thought that the dollar was a safe haven in times of uncertainty, but that recent trends in the dollar, the debt, etc. have changed investor’s perspectives relative to the US economy, and that future world market downturns would not necessarily lead to a stronger dollar.  Foreign markets were uncoupling from the dollar so would be less affected.  He also said that Euro Pacific had benefited from significant gains in the 2003-2008 time period, so those long term investors were less impacted.

I philosophically believe in their approach (foreign dividend paying securities), but concerned that they don&#039;t appear to be agile in their management, but rather have a low churn, and want investors to commit to a 5-10 year time frame.  It is a lot of money to commit, and seems like it will be difficult to control if the markets make another 2008 like run.  The returns from their three managed accounts were ~6%, 12%, 12% for 2010, but since they were only established in Nov 2009, there is not much of a track record to go by, and there was a lot of volatility month to month.

Comments welcome as I continue to mull this over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good comments in this thread over the last two years.  I have been following Peter for several years, read his books, listen to his radio show, and even financially supported his bid for CT Senate race.  I have used his company Euro Pacific Precious Metals and have been very satisfied with the service to date, although I have only been on the buy side and have not sold anything to this point.</p>
<p>Now considering moving a chunk of my IRA to one of Euro Pacific Capital managed accounts.  I asked my representative about the disaster in late 2008, and what their lessons learned were following a significant loss of capital and betting against the US dollar.  They said that world investors still thought that the dollar was a safe haven in times of uncertainty, but that recent trends in the dollar, the debt, etc. have changed investor’s perspectives relative to the US economy, and that future world market downturns would not necessarily lead to a stronger dollar.  Foreign markets were uncoupling from the dollar so would be less affected.  He also said that Euro Pacific had benefited from significant gains in the 2003-2008 time period, so those long term investors were less impacted.</p>
<p>I philosophically believe in their approach (foreign dividend paying securities), but concerned that they don&#8217;t appear to be agile in their management, but rather have a low churn, and want investors to commit to a 5-10 year time frame.  It is a lot of money to commit, and seems like it will be difficult to control if the markets make another 2008 like run.  The returns from their three managed accounts were ~6%, 12%, 12% for 2010, but since they were only established in Nov 2009, there is not much of a track record to go by, and there was a lot of volatility month to month.</p>
<p>Comments welcome as I continue to mull this over.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bet your pissed now you pull out right at the bottom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bet your pissed now you pull out right at the bottom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I invested with Schiff&#039;s firm in 10/08 and again in 5/09.  These were when the market was down, but actually not at short-term lows by any stretch.  I missed the big drop in 3/09.  

My account is up 125%.  My dividend returns are quite high, around 10%, I think.  Now, a new investor won&#039;t get either of those numbers because the market has swollen, but I have been impressed by their recommendations and their overall track record.

No one is right 100% of the time, but I followed Schiff for a long time before I gave him my money and he&#039;s called a lot of market moves.  

The fees are high, but if you are a long-term investor they are better than the annual fees charged by retail brokers because they are one-time fees, not annual.  (I am comparing to SmithBarney where my dad worked.)  Also, I&#039;m not sure where you will find a broker with lower fees who lets you buy on foreign markets directly for cheap without paying the pink sheet spreads as well.  If they exist, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I invested with Schiff&#8217;s firm in 10/08 and again in 5/09.  These were when the market was down, but actually not at short-term lows by any stretch.  I missed the big drop in 3/09.  </p>
<p>My account is up 125%.  My dividend returns are quite high, around 10%, I think.  Now, a new investor won&#8217;t get either of those numbers because the market has swollen, but I have been impressed by their recommendations and their overall track record.</p>
<p>No one is right 100% of the time, but I followed Schiff for a long time before I gave him my money and he&#8217;s called a lot of market moves.  </p>
<p>The fees are high, but if you are a long-term investor they are better than the annual fees charged by retail brokers because they are one-time fees, not annual.  (I am comparing to SmithBarney where my dad worked.)  Also, I&#8217;m not sure where you will find a broker with lower fees who lets you buy on foreign markets directly for cheap without paying the pink sheet spreads as well.  If they exist, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: JackOfAllTrades</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackOfAllTrades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested in investing with Euro Pacific Capital, but their fees are really really high.  For managed accounts, the first tier (250K and above) they charge 2% (typically the fee is 1.25%).  And if you dont&#039; want a managed account but just want to buy into the mutual funds, there is a 5% load charge (minimum purchase 25K).  Also, the mutual funds are not (yet) available through other brokers, so you must buy them direct.

Peter Schiff seems like a sensible no-BS investor adviser (ie: gold bullion only, in your possession only, don&#039;t leverage PM, don&#039;t buy numismatic coins, etc), but these fees tell a different story.  They&#039;re the highest fees I&#039;ve ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in investing with Euro Pacific Capital, but their fees are really really high.  For managed accounts, the first tier (250K and above) they charge 2% (typically the fee is 1.25%).  And if you dont&#8217; want a managed account but just want to buy into the mutual funds, there is a 5% load charge (minimum purchase 25K).  Also, the mutual funds are not (yet) available through other brokers, so you must buy them direct.</p>
<p>Peter Schiff seems like a sensible no-BS investor adviser (ie: gold bullion only, in your possession only, don&#8217;t leverage PM, don&#8217;t buy numismatic coins, etc), but these fees tell a different story.  They&#8217;re the highest fees I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is quite funny to read the comments over the last few months (years!).

Schiff&#039;s firm would have you in commodity and PM stocks that have been on fire, especially the smaller caps, the last few months. So accounts that were created in mid 2009/2010 must be up huge...

Sitka Pacific, I have a lot of time for them, but I don&#039;t think they have done what they said. My impression from market letters earlier in 2009/2010 that they &quot;respect&quot; the market, but they don;t appear to be following that....it is a shame...I REALLY hate to say it but they are looking like another &quot;lucky&quot; firm.

Perhaps 2011 will be kind to their investment strategies, but to be bearish in mis summer 2010 was a HUGE mistake. That was the consensus view and many 2008 winners are looking totally ordinary now.

Anyone notice how Mish never comments/annotates charts with market levels anymore? That is one bear who is seriously licking his wounds. You gotta be flexible in this market. And Sitka Pacific aren&#039;t.

You want to be long risk premia in the long run. Maybe Mish will be right, but at the moment, on price action, you seriously have to question the bear case.

Good luck to all investors/speculators!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite funny to read the comments over the last few months (years!).</p>
<p>Schiff&#8217;s firm would have you in commodity and PM stocks that have been on fire, especially the smaller caps, the last few months. So accounts that were created in mid 2009/2010 must be up huge&#8230;</p>
<p>Sitka Pacific, I have a lot of time for them, but I don&#8217;t think they have done what they said. My impression from market letters earlier in 2009/2010 that they &#8220;respect&#8221; the market, but they don;t appear to be following that&#8230;.it is a shame&#8230;I REALLY hate to say it but they are looking like another &#8220;lucky&#8221; firm.</p>
<p>Perhaps 2011 will be kind to their investment strategies, but to be bearish in mis summer 2010 was a HUGE mistake. That was the consensus view and many 2008 winners are looking totally ordinary now.</p>
<p>Anyone notice how Mish never comments/annotates charts with market levels anymore? That is one bear who is seriously licking his wounds. You gotta be flexible in this market. And Sitka Pacific aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>You want to be long risk premia in the long run. Maybe Mish will be right, but at the moment, on price action, you seriously have to question the bear case.</p>
<p>Good luck to all investors/speculators!</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL how can you say Peter was wrong on Hyperinflation and the dollar in 2008 when he NEVER said there would be hyperinflation or a dollar collapse in 2008!  He said it is coming and coming really soon he even gave warning signs of what to look for in his book.  They even said in the article that a lot of his strategy is hedging against the dollar which will collapse.  Don&#039;t be short sighted he will be right on it just look at the Quantative Easing crap that Bernake is doing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL how can you say Peter was wrong on Hyperinflation and the dollar in 2008 when he NEVER said there would be hyperinflation or a dollar collapse in 2008!  He said it is coming and coming really soon he even gave warning signs of what to look for in his book.  They even said in the article that a lot of his strategy is hedging against the dollar which will collapse.  Don&#8217;t be short sighted he will be right on it just look at the Quantative Easing crap that Bernake is doing!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, it went back up and has stayed up for quite some time, and the bull market in gold has been active for years prior, so a temporary decrease with explicable reasons behind it makes the entirety of this discussion seem rather useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, it went back up and has stayed up for quite some time, and the bull market in gold has been active for years prior, so a temporary decrease with explicable reasons behind it makes the entirety of this discussion seem rather useless.</p>
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		<title>By: ctp</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you need to give the guy some time for his predictions and strategy to play out or fail.  this isn&#039;t vegas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you need to give the guy some time for his predictions and strategy to play out or fail.  this isn&#8217;t vegas.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pulled my head outta my arse about Feb 09 thanks to Peter and some others, and over next few months fired Merrill Lynch private investment managers that did NOTHING before, during, or after 08 housing collapse, (or the 01 tech bubble bursting for that matter) and still are looking for rosy US recovery altho with more cautions than before, fat chance really.  Over the last 15 months, I invested more than half of my portfolio holdings with EPC and am well diversified with energy in all forms, agriculture, water, commodities, reits, some tech, metals and mining, getting significant dividends and growth in some, but the main point is to be out of the dollar because when it unwinds, it will be hard and fast, and I dont want to be competing with everybody else tryin to shed dollar holdings. Anyone that wants to be critical of Peter&#039;s approach doesnt understand his message or the time frame, this debt crisis has been playing out for a long time, seems to be coming soon to a tipping point, altho many have been pointing it out for a long time, for a lot of different reasons, now its bigger, badder, and more ominous than ever before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pulled my head outta my arse about Feb 09 thanks to Peter and some others, and over next few months fired Merrill Lynch private investment managers that did NOTHING before, during, or after 08 housing collapse, (or the 01 tech bubble bursting for that matter) and still are looking for rosy US recovery altho with more cautions than before, fat chance really.  Over the last 15 months, I invested more than half of my portfolio holdings with EPC and am well diversified with energy in all forms, agriculture, water, commodities, reits, some tech, metals and mining, getting significant dividends and growth in some, but the main point is to be out of the dollar because when it unwinds, it will be hard and fast, and I dont want to be competing with everybody else tryin to shed dollar holdings. Anyone that wants to be critical of Peter&#8217;s approach doesnt understand his message or the time frame, this debt crisis has been playing out for a long time, seems to be coming soon to a tipping point, altho many have been pointing it out for a long time, for a lot of different reasons, now its bigger, badder, and more ominous than ever before.</p>
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